Tuesday, August 22, 2006

Posted by Bill Smith at 3:55 PM | 49 comments

How much money did The State spill in gushing all over Bill Cotty in the run up to the election?

If you applied advertising rates, how many tens of thousands of dollars were spent?
 

We continue to appreciate this site for giving attention to so many well thought out and very well written articles in The State.

In this case Ms. Scoppe really did a wonderfully 'fair and balanced' job of addressing the underhanded, backstabbing and unethical tactics being used by SCRG and their hired wannabe political consultants and their third world propaganda ministers in their attacks on certain fellow Republicans who like the majority of citizens in S.C. see through the rivers of snake oil and the clouds of blue smoke being smeared around by SCRG in support of their voucher scams. We need more politicians like Billy Cotty with the honor and courage to stand up against these scams.

If there was ever any doubt that Bill or Fritz (or whatever this site's host calls himself) is working for SCRG, his latest rant proves it. SCRG uses the word "responsible." What a bunch of hypocrites. Responsible? And they hide their funding sources and donor list. Responsible, not!!

Nothing in the article questions the right to free speech, but it does point out that the crackpots organizing these unethical attacks will stoop to anything including post cards containing "flat-out lies." As we have said, when you lie no one trusts you.
 

Oooh NO! NOT POSTCARDS! Why the evil genius of these SCRG people simply knows NO bounds!

Phew! Talk about anger and hatred...the above post is pretty virulent. But hey, you know what? This is still a free country, and if the postcards that are being used by SCRG are indeed so effective that it apparently makes you and Cindi tinkle in your pants, nothing says you can't start your own postcard campaign. Oops, Cindi doesn't need a postcard campaign does she? She's got the considerable resources of "thestatemulletwrapper" at her disposal to carry her rants. But you could still get on some dry britches and start your own postcard campaign. But, the problem isn't really that you couldn't do the same thing that SCRG is doing is it? The real problem is of course that SCRG is exactly right in their message, and that their message resonates powerfully with the good people of South Carolina, who are becoming increasingly dissatisfied with the failed status quo every passing day. THAT is what really makes you lose bladder control isn't it? It is good to see that SCRG is getting the job done, and it is really good to see that you are so very very thin-skinned about it. It must mean that SCRG is winning, which of course really means that the citizens of South Carolina are winning.
 

Winning? The voucher vultures have lost every time that their scam has come before the Legislature. So now they are trying to buy enough new hand picked representatives to get their snake oil sold. SCRG's message resonates like a flushing toilet which is where their voucher scams need to go.

And responsible people do not lie. Sending postcards with "flat-out lies" about responsible representatives makes you a liar and no one trusts a liar. The second page in the wannabe political consultant handbook says when you can not win honestly, cheat or lie. Both work. Unless you get caught. The State caught and reported about those lies. So Bill-Fritz and his SCRG masters attack The State.

Yes, it is a free country. You can send out your post cards with "flat-out lies," and you can falsely scream "FIRE" in a crowded theater. Both are wrong. Mailing postcards is a cheap (meaning cost effective) way to spread your lies. Those post card lies have become a common tactic among some of the scum peddling this snake oil. And your SCRG finger prints are all over those postcards.



The truth will set you free and can be found at these web sites.

CORRIDOR OF SHAME: The Neglect of South Carolina's Rural Schools
http://www.corridorofshame.com/

Beware of the Wolf: No Vouchers
http://www.choosechildrenfirst.com/
 

I am voting for Bill Cotty. We need more members of our legislature who will stand up to those bumbs.
 

bums
 

Bill-Fritz again misses the point. Actually, he ignores the truth because it does not fit his political purposes. And he is paid well by his masters with secret out-of-state money to deliver his political tripe. They refuse to list their donors; what are they hiding? Why are they hiding?

It is not the postcards that upset honest responsible people. It is the lies they contain. Our Constitution gives Bill-Fritz and other wannabe political consultants the right to lie. No one will deny them the right to lie. But we the people of S.C. are getting sick of it.
 

" we the people of South Carolina?" The people of South Carolina are glad to have anyone who will step up to the task of telling the truth about our public schools...and why they fail miserably. You're absolutely right Bill-Fritz...it is good to finally see the people of South Carolina winning.
 

" Corridor of Shame" would make Goebbels proud...
 

Bill-Fritz, sweetheart, how silly you are. Goebbels is dead. So are the scam voucher programs you and your masters at SCRG keep trying to force on S.C. Clean out your ears and learn to read. We will keep saying it for you. It's the poverty stupid along with other social issues that have been inadequately addressed in S.C. for the last 200 years.

Corridor of Shame is an excellent reflection of the "minimally adequate" educational opportunities provided to so many in S.C. You say you are proud and brave. You should be ashamed and crawl back under the rock you and SCRG hide under. Mail another anonymous post card full of lies. Hide you donor list and finance information. Proud and brave? Not. Wannabe political consultant and shady third world propaganda minister is a better description.
 

Good old ad hominem...well, if you don't have a leg to stand on.
 

What are the lies you keep talking about?
 

El toro poopoo de la vouchers can be found in the SCRG sponsored post cards, in the SCRG advertisements and in posts by Bill-Fritz on this web site.

Third world ministers of propaganda and local disreputable wannabe political consultants may claim it is just editorial license or just "spin." But we the people of S.C. recognize lies y el toro poopoo de la vouchers when we see it. Vouchers will never help our schools. They only fuel white flight, and those left behind will be even worse off. Fix the underlying social problems and our schools. Then we can talk about voucher scams.

The voters clearly recognized the voucher scam and political rhetoric when they overwhelmingly voted for Bill Cotty in the primary. That was a huge rejection of the candidate recruited by SCRG. We need more responsible representatives like Bill Cotty!

Dealing with vouchers is like a trip to the bathroom. Sometimes you have to flush several times to deal with everything that needs to go into the sewer. The giant flushing sound you heard last year was the Legislature dealing with vouchers again. And they are ready to flush again this year if the voucher scams float back up. And like the Energizer Bunny, they will keep flushing and flushing and flushing until vouchers are in the sewer.
 

What lies were contained in any of the postcards sent out?

Name one.
 

Bold faced lies. You should remember them. You mailed them.
A big thank you to The State for letting everyone know about those lies:
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/columnists/cindi_scoppe/14766455.htm
 

We can name more lies, but it is pointless to debate logically with someone sitting in a SCRG corner office. It is like debating with an organ grinder's monkey. The monkey dances and plays the fool while the organ grinder pulls his string and makes the music. Bill-Fritz and the other hired wannabe political consultants will only keep attacking with the same tired old rhetoric against our schools. Until their money runs out.

And did you hear the news?

The Budget and Control Board reversed itself (we knew it would) so the Ethic's Commission will be defending its legal and very responsible efforts to force the SCRG to become truly responsible. The good ole boys at SCRG are really scared and shaking in their boots at the prospect of being forced to obey the laws of S.C. and reveal their donors and funding sources. Show us your donors and funding. The truth will set you free.

And sun light is the best disinfectant.

But do not count on them to start being responsible or honest. Remember not long ago a SCRG leader was busted for sending fakes letters to the editor at The State under the silly pseudonym of "Dennis Sinned." Bill-Fritz asked for examples of lies. There is another one.

Did SCRG fire the scoundrel who sent the fake letters? No. They just changed his responsibilities. After all, they need his talents.

Hmmmm, let us think for a second about this. Fake Letter to the Editor. Bogus Post Cards Containing "Flat-Out Lies." Okay. We got it.
 

How does knowing their donors and funding change anything? It doesn't! Your shameless avoidance of answering anon's question about " what lies?" points to your own knowledge that they're right! I guess there is that heinous infraction of using a " silly" name to send a letter to the editor. Is there no decency? What's 'silly' is publishing the illogical, slanted, and biased drivel of Cindi Scoppe on a routine basis. A big thank you to the State for printing such unbelievable, unrepresentative, and unAmerican propoganda. It gives the rest of us a good laugh.
 

Wow...the blog has been very busy. It's a good thing. I've gotten to the point that I don't pay much attention to the "fritz-bill" contingent anymore. This area of the class in general is for the slower students, and this fellow in particular is obviously a supercilious, condescending boob who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, yet who gets wild-eyed and incontinent whenever anyone makes clear and compelling arguements for school choice, or even argue that free people ought to be free to make their opinions known, a la SCRG. And whatever side I'm on in any fight I ever get into, I never ever want to look to my left or right and find I'm on the same side as Cindi and Brad. These people demand that one believe the unbelievable, defend the indefensible and do the immoral in support of the unsupportable. For reasons I absolutely do not understand, they support the status quo public education system and actually want to grow it by lavishing more money on it. Anything or anyone who opposes this loser position must be destroyed. The problem that they have, of course, is that public ed is an obvious failure that will eventually collapse under its' own weight, likely taking many youngsters down in flames with it (the ones who aren't being destroyed in it already). For this reason, to a growing degree, their ideas just don't wash with parents and taxpayers in good 'ol South Carolina any longer. The jig is up. The king has no clothes. "fritz-bill" special-ed guy is out of dry underoos. Again, it's a good thing.
 

SCRG is a scam. Vouchers are a scam. Pushing wacko opinions that are bought and paid for with out of state money from people who do not even have the courage to identify themselves. Wacko opinions put forward by SCRG under fake names in The State. It is a lie to fake your name in a letter to the editor. The post cards about responsible legislators contained multiple lies. We saw the cards. The State reported on the cards. They lied.

Bill-Fritz and the other wannabe paid political consultants have their finger prints all over those lies. There have been other post cards full of lies that did not get as much attention. All smell like fish. Like rotten mullet thrown out back of a cheap Murrells Inlet seafood restaurant. And the bones of those rotten smelly fish are spread all over the sidewalk under the window of Suite B 1620 Gervais Street in Columbia.

Let us think for a moment who shares offices at that address. Could it be a paid political consultant accepting rent money and other fees from the SCRG scam machine? That might help explain the wannabe third world propaganda minister slash wannabe political consultant running this site.

That might explain the SCRG staffer who used to work for SCRG's landlord. That might explain so many SCRG board members with ties to the lieutenant governor - you know him, he is the one who gets special treatment from state troopers for speeding, the one a police officer had to draw a weapon on after catching him for speeding and running red lights, and who ripped of the taxpayers selling a small piece of land to the highway department.

We smell a vast right wing conspiracy here.
 

Bill-Fritz or whatever he calls himself is always "spitting" on the public's leg and telling them it is raining. His faux outrage at The State and public education are simply part of the act he is putting on to keep getting his consulting fee from SCRG.

His rants are long on politically motivated rhetoric and childish potty mouthed attacks, but they lack the note of sincerity that is found in true fanatics.

Page three of the handbook for third world dictators and wannabe political consultant says this, "it is all about money." Bill-Fritz will publicly hate and attack anyone for the right price from the highest right wing bidder.

That handbook goes on to say "the truth means nothing" as long as you spin it right. And repeat your misinformation often so people will start to believe it. Fake letters to the editor and anonymous postcards full of misinformation and lies are a couple of good ways to spread your compost. And sending a fake letter to the editor is just like a lie. It is called dirty tricks and “going negative.”

That is what is happening here. Bill-Fritz and his SCRG masters know that real progress is being made in public education, and they know what really needs to be done to fix the issues. But fixing public education for all children is not their objective.

The voucher tax scams will do nothing to help public education. All the voucher scams will do is fuel white flight and make things worse for students left behind.

The truth will set you free and can be found at these web sites.

CORRIDOR OF SHAME: The Neglect of South Carolina's Rural Schools
http://www.corridorofshame.com/

Beware of the Wolf: No Vouchers
http://www.choosechildrenfirst.com/
 

We have heard from some friends who are responsible and honest political consultants. Yes, we have friends and there are some responsible and honest political consultants out there. Let us think.

There is one in Greenville, two in Charlotte and there is one in Columbia (but he is retired). There are also a few others we have not met who we will give the benefit of the dount. They have asked us to lay off of our criticism of political consultants as a profession.

They make a point that just because some political consultants behave like shadowy third world propaganda ministers we should not condemn the entire profession. They make a good point. We will work hard to extend respect to those who deserve it. But not to slick Will.
 

Anon is right. South Carolina is making real and steady positive progress in public education in spite of the nasty attacks by this SCouRGe calling itself SCRG. Look at this from my hometown paper.

http://greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060823/NEWS01/608230427/1004
CONTRARY TO SOME PERCEPTIONS, STATE'S STUDENT HOLD THEIR OWN

From the story.

"...South Carolina students are on par with the nation in elementary and middle school reading and math and making more progress than anyone else on the SAT."

"There are some very positive things going on in education," said Mack Whittle, CEO of the South Financial Group who spearheaded the project. "There are some things we need to work on."

"The study pointed out that South Carolina students are performing at or near the national average in reading and math in fourth and eighth grades on the National Assessment of Educational Progress, also known as the Nation's Report Card."

"The report says the state is on a pace to reach the national average on the SAT in eight years, after ranking No. 1 in improvement over the past eight years."

It looks like an honest report because it does not sugar coat the things that need attention.

"...South Carolina significantly lags the U.S. average high school graduation rate, and is falling further behind."

It looks like anon is right and S.C. is making real progress. I agree that vouchers are a terrible idea and will not help education. It sure does look like another way for the rich to get richer while the kids left behind only suffer more.
 

The SCouRGe has a point...we're still last! School choice has been proven everywhere it has been implemented, why not here?
 

HALLELUJAH!

The above post says it so brilliantly and succinctly that there is really nothing to add. Why not here? Why NOT here? Why not now? Why not here and now?

Good students who want to learn and poor students who haven't had access to decent schools could both be in outstanding competitive schools tomorrow, were the free market given a chance. The intentional underachievers and thugs could stay behind, where they are at now ~no real loss~ as there's no real hope for them anyway. Great teachers and staff members presently working for low wages could be paid more in competitive schools tomorrow, and enjoy their passion for teaching in front of excellent students, in classrooms with the latest teaching/learning technologies. The bureacrats and low ball teachers and driftwood that we have now could stay where they are at and retire when their ticket is punched, just as before. I reckon that the only people who are afraid of vouchers and competition are the ones who have a personal, monetary stake in maintaining the status quo. But were public ed opened to the free market, it is axiomatic that the cream would immediately rise to the top and the market would provide EXCELLENT educational opportunities for any students who wanted them, and better professional opportunities for teachers who are passionate about their craft.
 

oops...bureaucrats. Omitted the 'u'
 

Why do you have to attack our children and those working so hard to help them with their education?
 

SCRG = SCouRGe. Vouchers are a SCAM on our children and taxpayers. Bill-Fritz finally shows his true self. What a bigot. He would trash those who he feels do not want to learn. He says the "intentional underachievers" can "stay behind." What a proud moment for SC when such bigots make themselves heard. "...there is no real hope for them anyway..." Kind of like there was no real hope for Helen Keller. Right?

The "free market" is after profit. To heck with those "left behind." On the other hand, public education is after educating children. The free market will never have the best interests of our children and SC in mind. The "free market" will only focus on profit, and children will suffer.

Bill-Fritz frequently uses references to nazi culture. As shameful as that is, we can only wonder now that he is showing his real self. Perhaps he only believes that the "master race" deserves to be educated. Perhaps he thinks the "lower classes," "underachievers" and "driftwood" should stay behind. He says "...there's no real hope for them anyway."

There is no hope for Bill-Fritz, third world propaganda ministers and other wannabe political hacks who will try to sell anything to the public for a price regardless of the truth. Bill-Fritz has a lesson to learn. A hard lesson for a bigot. There is always hope.
 

Amen my brother. We shall overcome. Give peace a chance. Educate our children. Vouchers have never worked anywhere they have been tried. They have only made the rich get richer and poor children suffer more. Vouchers have resulted in so much more corruption and have cost taxpayers so much more money. Take a look at the facts. South Carolina is making great progress in educating our children in spite of our Legislature's shameful position of providing only a minimally adequate education.
 

I just read that HALLELUJAH! post from anonymous. What a scumbag. All chidren in S.C. deserve an equal chance to be successful in school. Theres no way all children are getting an equal chance today with that minimally adequate foolishness. And that is not always their fault.

That voucher foolishness is never going to help. Any person who supports voucers is not honest if they say they want to help all children. They only want to help those who can afford private schools. Like I said, what a scumbag.

After reading some of the posts on this site I think it is a front for the voucher people.
 

How do you propose to help the children escape from a minimally adequate education without injecting choice into the system? Knock the SCouRGe all you want, but they are trying to do something about the problem. School choice has been proven to help students from poor backgrounds, why not implement it in South Carolina? Since when did honestly assessing the situation make someone a scumbag?

--Jake
 

How do you propose to help the children escape from a minimally adequate education without injecting choice into the system? Knock the SCouRGe all you want, but they are trying to do something about the problem. School choice has been proven to help students from poor backgrounds, why not implement it in South Carolina? Since when did honestly assessing the situation make someone a scumbag?

--Jake
 

Say what you want about Cindi Scoppe, but I appreciate her concern for my waistline...
 

"Vouchers have never worked anywhere they have been tried?" Apparently you need to overcome some significant ignorance before you comment in the same vein again.The children obviously aren't the only ones who need to be educated. Ever heard of Milwaukee? I suggest you read up on the benefits of their school choice program for low income students.
 

--Jake, is that you? God Bless ya, Bubba. How are them dog bones? Are they keeping your teeth clean? Please do not poop in your master's house. Your name sake poops on the floor of the Legislature enough for both of you.

Jake, what a dog. Bill-Fritz has made up a new name and will now be known as Bill-Fritz-Jake. Bill-Fritz-Jake needs to read up on the corruption created by the voucher scam in Milwaukee. Vouchers have never worked anywhere. Period.

Vouchers only create corruption and fuel white flight without helping public education at all. Voucher supporters care nothing for public education. They only want to promote their tax scam for the wealthy.

Check out the voucher scam implemented in Washington DC. Do you think it has helped inner city kids? No! And, our Congress is afraid to authorize a study to compare the results to pubic education because they know vouchers are a scam and a total failure. Shame, what a shame.

Jake-Bill-Fritz asked an ignorant question. He asked "How do you propose to help children escape from a minimally adequate education..." The answer is simple, Jakie.

Change the "minimally adequate" standard to something SC can be proud of, and support that standard with resources that address the poverty and other social issues that are the root causes of the issues our schools and educators are working to deal with. It is the poverty, stupid. Start paying attention, and you will figure it out.

Jake. You and this site are a joke. Go fetch your masters at SCRG a stick or a bone. Your total ignorance of issues facing public education in SC is more obvious with your every post. People from SC understand. Why can't you?

Now, let's get back to bashing The State. You get off track so easy. Bigots often do.
 

Same old song and dance... legitimate questions are asked, and responded to with name calling. Of course there always seems to be a healthy dose of attempted condescension to cover up the lack of a real argument.It's a bit like being patronized by a four year old. Give me a source on how vouchers have ravaged Milwaukee and I will be happy to read up on it.
-Jake-Bubba
 

Legitimate questions, yes! We welcome legitimate questions! But all that Bubba-Jake-the-Bow-Wow-Bill-Fritz offers is hard core right wing political bigot rhetoric that would make a small puppy puke! "Same old song and dance" is not original and shows Bubba's desperation in the face of logic.

It shows a total lack of understanding and compassion for students who suffer because of poverty and other social ills that fester in S.C. It shows his focus on his pay check from SCRG carpetbaggers. References to voucher corruption in Milwaukee are all over the internet, Bubba. You know it.

Bubba runs out of SCRG snake oil very fast. It can only be recycled a few times before the public sees that it’s sour and before it burns up. That is what has happened here. Bubba resorts to "same old song and dance." Our reply, "we know you are but what are we."

Bubba? Are you listening? The giant sucking sound is vouchers and your credibility heading for the sewer, again. And when your attack puppy runs out of original material please do not spare the rod and spoil the child. He is but a robot selling snake oil for you and your masters are SCRG.

Spare the "rod" and spoil the child...hee, hee, hee. We made a funny...

Our mutual friend Will-the-Stupid would be proud.
 

Such insight! Such piercing logic! Such eloquence!
 

Try this for piercing logic and eloquence, Jake. The owner of this site must be an idiot. How much does he pay pimps like you to post stuff here for him? Does he pay Jake in bones or SCRG script?

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Bill'O and Rush are right. The world is full of Wackos. Two of them host and post here.
 

Yea, but Rush has a known drug problem the cops have caught up with and Bill'O got caught and had to pay out on a sexual harrassment thing about phone sex to a staff member (what a kinky pervert - it makes me want to go buy one of his books). But let us stick to the wackos who host and run this site. They seem to mostly be political perverts. Actually, political pimps.
 

I'm going to make a guess that these latest offerings have been contributed by either...

1). A sweating public education bureaucrat who is afraid of losing his job when the people of South Carolina continue to demand reform.

or

2.) a 7th grader

-Jake
 

Good golly this is getting nasty. We will speak with our responsible friends to ask them to tone down their posts. They shame us when they sink to the low level of Jake-The-Snake-Bill-Fritz-The-Fake in name calling. But, Jake? You use the term public education bureaucrat like it is something to be ashamed of. You have your rhetoric wrong. They are public education professionals! They are progessionals, Bubba. Profefssionalism is a term that third world propaganda ministers and wannabe bought and paid for political consultants can never understand.
 

Jake-Bill-Fritz probably did not even notice the spelling and grammar errors in the last post. He is too blinded by his political rhetoric.
 

Hey, maybe we should start a new political party. The Progressionals. Professionals who make progress. Two concepts totally lost on the host of this site who makes up names to suggest he has supporters other than his masters at SCRG. Let's see. That includes Bill-Fritz-Jake (that is one) plus defamed Will the Smasher, Charlie the Bigot and Josh the Gross. Did we miss any? Other than the obvious ones?
 

Progressionals huh? I like it! Bear in mind that progress requires a process of reform. Does the formation of your new party imply that you are going to progress out of the slough of underperformance where our schools have been wallowing for decades? I hope so...and I know the people of South Carolina hope so. If what you have been tenaciously holding to as the only philosophy of education is a miserable failure, maybe you should consider ANOTHER approach. Like school choice. You can still keep your job buddy, you will just be accountable to produce real results. You are vociferous in your desire to help the children of our State...here's your big chance! Get out there and show 'em how a real Progressional..uh..Progresses.

Jake
 

Jake, you dog. Trying to twist this. What cheap rhetoric. Using sleezy dimestore words like "reform," "slough" and "wallowing." Listen and read what we are telling you. It is the truth. The truth will set you free. It's the poverty, stupid!

Schools are not wallowing. The students are "wallowing" in the "minimally adequate" standard established by our State. How can we exceed "minimally adequate" when that is the standard? We can't! Vouchers are a fraud and a scam that will not help. Vouchers rob everyone but only help the rich.

Those left behind will only suffer more, and vouchers have no place or help for them. Vouchers are a scam and a lie.
 

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Children! Stop this and go to your rooms. And read a more intelligent discussion of issues regarding public education at this web site hosted by The State and Mr. Warthen: blogs.thestate.com/bradwarthensblog/2006/08/the_monitor_gro.html

It is fun to watch the SCRG front guys play their hand at that blog where the host and intelligent citizens hold them accountable. All that needs to happen is for truely responsbile citizens to hold SCRG accountable. When that happens, SCRG will slither back in the shadows from where they came.
 

I rather like Brad's blog.
-Jake